4 years ago by caturopath
The lack of loophole was disorienting, but then I went and looked up how they want you to attach it, and the hangtag accessories look so pretty https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2021/04/apple-introduces-airt... -- things like the appearance and the sound quality really show a commitment to making polished products rather than practical ones. I've been fairly negative on Apple for a few years and they still need to pull bigger rabbits out of their hat until I completely reverse that, but it's really impressive that they've turned a Tile into a status symbol.
It's hilarious to a certain extent that they built the thing smaller than all the competition and bulk it up with a wad of leather anyhow.
4 years ago by Exmoor
> It's hilarious to a certain extent that they built the thing smaller than all the competition and bulk it up with a wad of leather anyhow.
That's essentially how I feel when I see the "Our thinnest iPhone ever" slide knowing that 95% of iPhone owners put it in a bulky case. That said, that's not unique to Apple and the phone is at least usable without a case.
4 years ago by caturopath
It's not like the choice is "thick and doesn't need a case or thin and needs a case". Even if the phone was thicker, people would be using cases if they bought it, right?
4 years ago by NathanielK
I disagree. With modern materials, the thinness is the root of durability compromises. I've used my Xperia XZ1 compact for several years without a case. I've dropped it on concrete floors, sat on it, and used it in the mud. There're some chips in the paint, but the fiberglass body underneath is fine. Any scratches on the Gorilla Glass 5 are barely visible.
My old phones with cheap poly-carbonate backs(cracks easily) and thin GG3(cracks,scratches are apparent) were fragile in comparison. The material science has improved with modern phones, but manufacturers choose to make fragile phones.
You don't need thick overmoulding and port covers to make a phome durable without a case. The materials are strong enough on the high end phones. The problem is that when you make the glass thinner and exposed at the corners, it will crack with much less impact. The overall thinness means less flexural rigidity (rigidity is proportional to thickness cubed), you can snap a modern phone with your hands. Cheap new phones get it even worse. They use flimsier materials to cram a better SoC in, and still are rarely waterproof.
4 years ago by myself248
Back when phones were built to survive the outside world without a case, I never put cases on my phones.
The whole Nextel and Nokia and Blackberry era, not a one. They looked a bit worn from a few years each in my pocket with my keys, but they all worked fine, and they'd all survive a drop to the floor.
Today the only phone I'd trust to survive a naked drop would be a Unihertz Titan, but until there's an AOSP ROM for it, I'm not trusting it with my data. So, cases on everything.
4 years ago by selykg
Probably not everyone. But for me, after spending $1400 Iâm putting it in a case. My Xs Max is nearly two and a half years old now and I took it out of the case for itâs scheduled cleaning and after wiping it down and getting the built up pocket crud out of the crevices where the case and phone meet, its like brand new.
Iâm hoping I can get at least another year out of this thing. Battery is excellent. iOS doesnât seem slow at all.
4 years ago by falcolas
Me? No. I get a case because of the fscking camera bump (though with the latest model, it's more tumor than bump). I just want my phone to lay flat.
4 years ago by dpkonofa
I know it means nothing but I'm in the 5%. I've never had a case on my iPhone and I've owned every other generation since the original (I always skip generations for my devices since they started doing the incremental S versions). I prefer things without cases and the AirTags are going to be no exception. I'm going to throw them into a pocket or put them into an already existing spot so I like that it's thin.
4 years ago by kevindong
What are you going to track without using some kind of holder?
Personally, I only bought one AirTag (along with an Apple leather keychain, for my keys). I don't generally lose items large enough to have some kind of pocket/holder for an AirTag (e.g. I don't ever lose my backpack which has a zippered compartment to hold random junk).
4 years ago by powersnail
> That's essentially how I feel when I see the "Our thinnest iPhone ever" slide knowing that 95% of iPhone owners put it in a bulky case
I was in the same boat until and I dropped my phone and break the back, which is ridiculously expensive to fix.
I use a case now, which only takes 10 bucks to replace if broken. Itâs not as pretty as a naked phone, but itâs practical.
4 years ago by cube2222
I've had this attitude before, but I must say, the recent iPhones at least (iPhone 11 in my case) are ridiculously resistant to damage.
Mine is not in a case and regularly has scary-looking falls, but there's almost no-scratch. Only on the edges of the aluminum body you can see the paint scratched off in some places.
I've found that the added bulk of a case makes me drop my phone much more frequently.
4 years ago by asdff
It's the thinnest iphone ever that hasn't sat flat on a table for years. Touch the screen and it wobbles like a bar table needing some coasters under a leg. Apple purposely designs their cases to be flush with the camera bump, knowing that for most users, the phone will just live in a case.
It's kind of ridiculous to build that baked in expectation for more accessory buying directly into your device, but I guess that's modern design principles. Extract more dollar, and leave you with the equivalent of a wobbly table if you don't buy in.
4 years ago by pentae
I have an 11 pro without a case on it and just tried replicating what you're describing and I can't do it.
It pivots at most 1-2mm laterally to the left when i'm tapping hard on the left side of the screen which is barely noticeable. When I tap normally (a bit softer) or swipe it doesn't even move.
I'm no fanboy but i'm amazed that out of all the things you could critique about Apple it would be this one.
4 years ago by tootie
People debate if Apple is about primarily hardware or software but I posit their forte is marketing. They make good products but also consistently beat out superior competition by engineering desirability.
4 years ago by smichel17
They're a fashion company, which happens to produce hardware and software. A bit like Riot Games is an art company which happens to produce League of Legends (like Valve / TF2 and hats/collectibles before them).
4 years ago by ryandrake
A little off-topic, but can an artistic person or graphic designer help me to understand why every airtag in Apple's literature with the Apple logo has that two-color (light gray, dark gray) scheme with a not-exactly-straight line dividing the colors [1]? It seems like an odd design choice.
EDIT: Ha! Thanks for the push. I would have never seen it. My eyes are broken I guess. It truly looks to me like they are two-toned gray, even after the explanation.
1: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/images/product/accessories/st...
4 years ago by Guest19023892
The tags with the icons are white.
https://i.imgur.com/ZlvXsaR.jpg
The tags with the Apple logo are a mirror finish.
https://i.imgur.com/QaVobYc.jpg
The sharp line isn't part of the design, it's just a minimalist way of showing a highly reflective material. The sharper the line, the sharper the reflections in the surface. The line is curved because the surface of the tag is curved (e.g. you can see how the straight window is curved in the above image). If the tag was a flat surface, then it would be a straight line.
4 years ago by SebastianKra
They have two sides. One silver, one white.
4 years ago by panda88888
I think itâs a single color but shaded due to its dome shape.
4 years ago by brailsafe
Sheesh, those are costly. $35 usd is more than two weeks worth of groceries, two months of a world of Warcraft subscription, and about the same price as any of Affinity's products. For the AirTag, I'd admit that it seems sophisticated enough to warrant it. But the loop to affix it!?
4 years ago by fastball
I mean, you can also buy a holder from Hermes for $350.
The belkin one is only $13, and I'm sure there will be some from China on Amazon for $2-5 before long.
4 years ago by brailsafe
Fair enough I suppose, but it still seems a bit excessive. For a first-party example, you could maybe get approx. 30 keychains or a Macbook Air.
4 years ago by bullfightonmars
Keeping your food budget at $2.50 a day is impressive. Do you do a lot of bulk food prep?
I used to get by on $3-3.50 a day, but that was back in my lean years.
4 years ago by brailsafe
It's a rough average, but mostly oats, coffee, nuts for the oats, pasta, deli meat 1-3 times a week. Maybe if I dug into it a little more it would come out a bit higher, but for things I actually buy as groceries the number is relatively low, and I suppose that's how I've managed so far without work for over a year.
Edit: Worth noting that USD is not my home currency, which would convert to a bit over $40. I imagine $35 USD would go very very far for many other people outside the U.S
4 years ago by Jpoliachik
> But why bother putting a real driver in here at all? Magnets not only add weight, they take up a lot of space. Looks like one corner Apple refused to cut on this tiny disk is sound quality.
I find it fascinating what tradeoffs are decided upon. Apple is arguably the best luxury brand in the world - and this is why.
4 years ago by rand_r
Appleâs unique ethos is technology as a means for creative expression. Thatâs why theyâve excelled in font rendering, colour accuracy, sound fidelity, and input-lag.
I think this value came from Steve Jobs, and I hope they never lose it because it imbues Apple with real human spirit. Theyâre more than just another profit-seeking company.
4 years ago by gumby
> Theyâre more than just another profit-seeking company.
I do like Apple but be real: this is how they garner their profits.
4 years ago by baoqdau
This is your brain on consumerism.
4 years ago by ben-schaaf
> Thatâs why theyâve excelled in font rendering
Not sure about the past, but without subpixel antialiasing they pretty much have the worst font rendering now.
4 years ago by matwood
Doesnât this only cause issues on non-HiDPI screens.
4 years ago by owlboy
Can you elaborate?
4 years ago by fnord123
> Thatâs why theyâve excelled in font rendering, colour accuracy, sound fidelity, and input-lag.
That'll be why mac laptops connect to bluetooth speakers using the worst default settings for sound fidelity so it sounds like a dying frog.
And the input lag is quite terrible when the machine is under any load.
4 years ago by dijit
Input lag on an iPhone or an iPad is best in class. The Mac leaves much to be desired.
I have never had an issue with Bluetooth on the Mac. Maybe thereâs issues if youâre doing audio recording on the headset, but thatâs a limitation of bluetooth 4 and would be similar on Linux or Windows.
My Linux laptop likes to negotiate HSP (low quality but with audio recording) over HSDP (high quality) with my Bose QC35s, but the Mac is quite happy to dynamically switch as needed.
4 years ago by fastball
I'm sure that will be fixed once Apple inevitably starts building their own Bluetooth chipsets.
4 years ago by Lammy
It will also make them better hidden microphones :) http://in.bgu.ac.il/en/Pages/news/eaves_dropping.aspx
4 years ago by tzs
Is the magnet strong enough to stick the tag to ferromagnetic metals?
4 years ago by gmrple
Weakly, yes. Enough to hold its own mass at rest, but I don't think it would work with any type of acceleration. It will stick nicely to a neodymium magnet.
4 years ago by gumby
... Which I assume also mutes it?
4 years ago by threepio
What are the practical ramifications of Apple harnessing every existing iPhone as an AirTag discovery device in the Find My network? (I think it's awful from a privacy and device-ownership standpoint, but let's leave that aside.)
For instance, because physics is real, it must take some amount of battery power & data transfer to collect information about nearby AirTags. Suppose I walk into Disneyland on a summer weekend with an iPhone. The place is going to be full of AirTags. Assumedly my iPhone will be very busy reporting on their location. Hour by hour, how does that workload compare to the stuff I ask my phone to do for me (e.g., receive text messages, download mail)? Will it run down the battery / chew up bandwidth caps in any significant way?
4 years ago by mirths
The AirTag transmits every 2 seconds. The iPhone should scan every 2 minutes for 2 seconds in order to capture the AirTag. BLE scanning costs about ~20mW. So the average power consumption is 20mW * (2sec / 120sec) = 0.3mW.
Over an entire day, it's 7mWh. The iPhone 12 battery is 10000mWh.
Conclusion: it's neglibile.
4 years ago by beiller
Would it be more if we consider the radio boot time to send a tx, and the amount of bytes sent to apples server? Also what happens if I'm at the air port with 100 air tags in range? I know they try to piggy back the data transmissions but now we are counting on apple's software having no bugs.
4 years ago by Andrew_nenakhov
Reporting this data home also costs power.
It's rather pathetic how Apple restricts user's right to use full capabilities of their devices (like restricting running apps in the background) to 'increase their battery life' while simultaneously be perfectly fine to use that power for their own benefit.
I wonder can a user disable this airtag reporting feature if he doesn't own a single airtag and doesn't want to participate in this surveillance network?
4 years ago by knolan
You can disable it from the Find My settings for iCloud in your phone.
4 years ago by saagarjha
Limiting background execution is annoying, but I'm not sure if you understand how much battery an app running in the background can consume when compared to something like this.
4 years ago by GeorgeTirebiter
It's the principle: other people's tags get to commandeer resources from 'my phone' without me giving permission. Unless somewhere in the iPhone fine print it say something like "by using an iPhone, you are implicitly agreeing to become part of Apple's Global BLE Network" --- well, if not that, I'm not sure how Apple gets away with this.
4 years ago by ylk
> Any iOS, iPadOS or macOS device with âoffline findingâ enabled in Find My settings can act as a âfinder deviceâ.
https://support.apple.com/en-nz/guide/security/sec6cbc80fd0/...
Open the Settings app and search for "Find My". You'll find the setting. Or follow this: Settings->Apple ID->Find My->Find My iPhone->Find My network
There's some explanation as to what it does and you'll be able to opt out if you don't like it. (Though you won't even see the "Find My network" setting if you had "Find My" disabled anyway)
4 years ago by AlphaSite
It also helps find your phone if you loose it. So everyone wins.
4 years ago by mirths
There is a permission in iPhone settings: participate in "find my" network. You can turn it off.
4 years ago by ylk
> Communication with the Find My network is end-to-end encrypted so that only the owner of a device has access to its location data, and no one, including Apple, knows the identity or location of any device that helped find it.
https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2021/04/apple-introduces-airt...
In case you care about details: https://support.apple.com/en-nz/guide/security/sec60fd770ba/... https://support.apple.com/en-nz/guide/security/secd4ab33e5c/...
I'm not sure how the e2ee works out when using Find My in the browser, but that's a different topic, I guess.
edit:
> This entire interaction is end-to-end encrypted, anonymous, and designed to be battery and data efficient, so there is minimal impact on battery life mobile data plan usage and user privacy is protected.
https://support.apple.com/en-nz/guide/security/sec6cbc80fd0/...
4 years ago by vlovich123
Are the iPhones always tracking and reporting? Or are they just watching passively for the devices reported lost and only reporting the location to Apple of your own AirTags. The latter seems far more sensible. The battery cost of this is fairly trivial. Your phone is already capturing its location and reporting for FindMy. The incremental cost of attaching the AirTagâs location is minimal. To monitor BLE for a bunch of addresses is also minimal cost thatâs typically predominantly done within the BT chip to avoid waking the SoC. At first glance there are some details that are unclear here in terms of how they scale this. For example, at Apple scale, the total size of lost AirTags is quite large, larger than what you can typically offload to a BLE chip. Similarly, the privacy protection features mean that BLE addresses rotate so just passively scanning wouldnât be sufficient. My bet though is that thatâs the work that was done - offloading all of this to the BLE chip in ways that are friendly to the HW capabilities. Itâs also entirely possible they worked with their BT supplier to add the necessary low-level hooks to make that perform well and preserve privacy.
4 years ago by knolan
I would say those AirTags will be with the iPhones of their respective owners. Mine report as âWith youâ so perhaps they donât advertise themselves in this state. The phone will be frequently updating its own location to Find My anyway so no extra power draw.
However if youâre walking by a set of left luggage lockers or through some similar environment where lots of AirTags not with their owner then there would indeed be some overhead. If you work in baggage handling in an airport would probably be telling. This all depends on the frequency which the AirTag reports itself and the frequency where your iPhone listens out. I suspect the impact would be negligible considering the power draw of the U1 in the AirTag is of order the power draw that the phone must commit.
4 years ago by threepio
> Mine report as âWith youâ so perhaps they donât advertise themselves in this state.
So you know for certain that AirTags have multiple broadcast states (e.g., "with me" vs. not)? Apple's description makes it sound like they only have one state:
"Your AirTag sends out a secure Bluetooth signal that can be detected by nearby devices in the Find My network." [1]
4 years ago by reasonabl_human
The air tag just broadcasts location, the âwith youâ state is generated within Find My iPhone, recognizing that the airbag is in the same location as your phone. That, and signal strength for locating the device.
4 years ago by jvanderbot
Reminder: repair.org fights for right to repair legislation, provides actionable advice, and takes tax-deductible donations.
Repair.org and ifixit are two sides of my favorite coin right now.
4 years ago by fastball
More like two sides of the same AirTag.
4 years ago by fblp
I wonder what the internal discussion at Apple was about whether or not to include a loophole in the product.
The fact that fixit has gone out and shown how you can add a loophole rather than wasting $13 on an accessory is a bit of a facepalm moment.
4 years ago by culturestate
Iâll go out on a limb here and guess that their guiding principle with this was as it is with every other portable device they have now - make it as small as practically possible and let people extend it if and how they want[1] to.
Saves a little bit of material, makes manufacturing a little less complicated, and makes the accessory ecosystem a whole lot more appealing.
1. I donât carry a keychain, for example, but Iâll slip one in each of my bags.
4 years ago by elliekelly
> Iâll go out on a limb here and guess that their guiding principle with this was as it is with every other portable device they have now - make it as small as possible and let people extend it if they want
Here I am, desperately clutching my nearly-obsolete iPhone in my small hands, waiting for Apple to return to this principle and make an iPhone that I can comfortably use one-handed again.
4 years ago by ChrisMarshallNY
> Here I am, desperately clutching my nearly-obsolete iPhone in my small hands, waiting for Apple to return to this principle and make an iPhone that I can comfortably use one-handed again.
I've been using the iPhone12 Mini for months. It works great, one-handed.
I have heard that it has not sold well, and may be discontinued. That would make me sad.
4 years ago by jrobn
The iPhone 12 Mini is great. I will never go back to a bigger phone again. The lack of all day battery life is a feature in my opinion. I use it more like a fancy tool.
4 years ago by fencepost
Is the 2020 SE still too large? Because I'm pretty sure they're not going smaller than that unless it's for radically cheaper devices targeted at the third world and I don't see that happening.
4 years ago by shp0ngle
iPhone mini exists. It has lackluster sales though so I think Apple will kill it in the next iteration.
4 years ago by steve_adams_86
This was my thought as well. Iâd probably never put these in a loop - Iâll place one in my bag, on my measuring tape (ha), and my wife will probably use one too... Most likely without attaching it to anything, just sticking it in a pocket or whatever. Itâs fine for all of our use cases.
4 years ago by texec
Beside the size it's probably a tradeoff on mechanical integrity: a keyring can introduce immense mechanical stress. On my last tag the small loophole just broke away after a year on a key that was not used daily or in harsh environments. With the AirTag you can just replace a $2 third party accessory. Apple didn't have to engineer a very durable (maybe milled?) loophole, which would have increased cost.
4 years ago by jayd16
This is what I would guess. They didn't want to see a bunch of broken look airtags floating around in a year's time and they also didn't want to spring for the metal reinforcement.
4 years ago by fblp
Great response. Thank you!
4 years ago by dan1234
While ifixit did drill a hole, we have no way of knowing how durable that hole will be. The drill point looked pretty close to the edge, simple fatigue may snap the hole quite quickly.
4 years ago by crazygringo
Because it's not going to be $13, you'll surely be able to buy 5 for $6 off Amazon soon for whatever kind of holder-with-loophole you want.
People love customizing their things. Some people will need large holes, other tiny ones, depending on what they're attaching it to. Some will want to make their AirTag bigger and bulkier, others not.
In this case I think Apple made the absolutely right decision.
4 years ago by dzhiurgis
Put one in your ear as a tunnel. Remember tunnels?
4 years ago by zxcvgm
Disappointed that this teardown was more of a teaser without any PCB photos. Here are some YouTube videos that feature a better look at the PCB of the AirTag:
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63dJ5ytz37w
[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1-iKyVyLfU
[3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeytpQcUHSw
Only video [1] went all the way and removed the PCB from the plastic case, revealing what seems to be an NFC antenna facing the plastic dome. Unfortunately, they struggled with removing the plastic carrier and broke the board in two.
4 years ago by lbebber
Hahah the coin x-ray thing was great
4 years ago by knolan
The ifixit folks are really good at getting people invested in understanding whatâs going on inside our gadgets. A little bit of humour like this is especially fun.
4 years ago by DanBC
> All three trackers open up with finger powerâno other tools required! That said, the AirTag is by far the most difficult,
I'm a little bit uncomfortable about this, because it gives access to a coin cell battery.
People under-estimate how dangerous batteries can be.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6134a1.htm
> From 1997 to 2010, an estimated 40,400 children aged <13 years were treated in hospital emergency departments (EDs) for battery-related injuries, including confirmed or possible battery ingestions. Nearly three quarters of the injuries involved children aged â¤4 years; 10% required hospitalization. Battery type was reported for 69% of cases, and of those, button batteries were implicated in 58%. Fourteen fatal injuries were identified in children ranging in age from 7 months to 3 years during 1995â2010. Battery type was reported in 12 of these cases; all involved button batteries.
4 years ago by blingojames
Just saw a show about this, it seems that children, even at ages of 9, have a tendency to put small stuff in their mouths and/or nasal cavities (even as part of playing, to 'hide' it, etc.) If this is done with a button battery, it can cause lasting damage within hours (e.g. two hours). Please be careful, found guidelines in here: https://www.rch.org.au/kidsinfo/fact_sheets/Safety_Button_ba... https://www.health.qld.gov.au/news-events/news/button-batter...
4 years ago by szhu
Btw, would swallowing the AirTag whole be just as dangerous? They're water resistant, but I'm assuming that they won't stay sealed in stomach conditions.
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