an hour ago by caturopath
The lack of loophole was disorienting, but then I went and looked up how they want you to attach it, and the hangtag accessories look so pretty https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2021/04/apple-introduces-airt... -- things like the appearance and the sound quality really show a commitment to making polished products rather than practical ones. I've been fairly negative on Apple for a few years and they still need to pull bigger rabbits out of their hat until I completely reverse that, but it's really impressive that they've turned a Tile into a status symbol.
It's hilarious to a certain extent that they built the thing smaller than all the competition and bulk it up with a wad of leather anyhow.
an hour ago by Exmoor
> It's hilarious to a certain extent that they built the thing smaller than all the competition and bulk it up with a wad of leather anyhow.
That's essentially how I feel when I see the "Our thinnest iPhone ever" slide knowing that 95% of iPhone owners put it in a bulky case. That said, that's not unique to Apple and the phone is at least usable without a case.
an hour ago by caturopath
It's not like the choice is "thick and doesn't need a case or thin and needs a case". Even if the phone was thicker, people would be using cases if they bought it, right?
an hour ago by selykg
Probably not everyone. But for me, after spending $1400 Iâm putting it in a case. My Xs Max is nearly two and a half years old now and I took it out of the case for itâs scheduled cleaning and after wiping it down and getting the built up pocket crud out of the crevices where the case and phone meet, its like brand new.
Iâm hoping I can get at least another year out of this thing. Battery is excellent. iOS doesnât seem slow at all.
37 minutes ago by pcl
I put my phone in a case so that when I drop it, the corner of the case takes the brunt of the force instead of the phone itself. Unless the phone had a floating edge around it (essentially, a case), I would still need one.
(Yes, itâs still possible to drop my phone face down on a rock or something, but most of the times Iâve broken a phone screen, itâs been a crack in the glass emanating from a corner. Which makes sense, given the physics of the things.)
an hour ago by spoonjim
The Tile is much more compact than the kitted out AirTag. Shame that Apple had to pander to the twin gods of accessories margin and fashion.
8 minutes ago by kemayo
It... isn't, though? There's a side-by-side comparison photo of the naked devices in the linked article, and I'm fairly sure from eyeballing it that the AirTag + the smallest of the accessories (the Belkin one [1]) is still smaller than the Tile.
[1]: https://www.apple.com/shop/product/HNPR2ZM/A/belkin-secure-h...
an hour ago by caturopath
> Shame that Apple had to pander to the twin gods of accessories margin and fashion
I feel like that's...what Apple is?
If you don't like it, that's fine, and they have lots of more-utilitarian competitors in every space they operate. I personally don't currently use any Apple products; I'm not really the target market either.
34 minutes ago by spoonjim
Well the Apple product is technologically superior since they browbeat their iPhone installed base into surveilling AirTags. This is what is so infuriating about Apple â they have excellent engineering and are often the best product in the market, but you then have to buy into their whole ethos as well.
44 minutes ago by jvanderbot
Reminder: repair.org fights for right to repair legislation, provides actionable advice, and takes tax-deductible donations.
Repair.org and ifixit are two sides of my favorite coin right now.
2 hours ago by Jpoliachik
> But why bother putting a real driver in here at all? Magnets not only add weight, they take up a lot of space. Looks like one corner Apple refused to cut on this tiny disk is sound quality.
I find it fascinating what tradeoffs are decided upon. Apple is arguably the best luxury brand in the world - and this is why.
2 hours ago by rand_r
Appleâs unique ethos is technology as a means for creative expression. Thatâs why theyâve excelled in font rendering, colour accuracy, sound fidelity, and input-lag.
I think this value came from Steve Jobs, and I hope they never lose it because it imbues Apple with real human spirit. Theyâre more than just another profit-seeking company.
44 minutes ago by fnord123
> Thatâs why theyâve excelled in font rendering, colour accuracy, sound fidelity, and input-lag.
That'll be why mac laptops connect to bluetooth speakers using the worst default settings for sound fidelity so it sounds like a dying frog.
And the input lag is quite terrible when the machine is under any load.
2 hours ago by tzs
Is the magnet strong enough to stick the tag to ferromagnetic metals?
an hour ago by gmrple
Weakly, yes. Enough to hold its own mass at rest, but I don't think it would work with any type of acceleration. It will stick nicely to a neodymium magnet.
2 hours ago by fblp
I wonder what the internal discussion at Apple was about whether or not to include a loophole in the product.
The fact that fixit has gone out and shown how you can add a loophole rather than wasting $13 on an accessory is a bit of a facepalm moment.
2 hours ago by culturestate
Iâll go out on a limb here and guess that their guiding principle with this was as it is with every other portable device they have now - make it as small as practically possible and let people extend it if and how they want[1] to.
Saves a little bit of material, makes manufacturing a little less complicated, and makes the accessory ecosystem a whole lot more appealing.
1. I donât carry a keychain, for example, but Iâll slip one in each of my bags.
an hour ago by elliekelly
> Iâll go out on a limb here and guess that their guiding principle with this was as it is with every other portable device they have now - make it as small as possible and let people extend it if they want
Here I am, desperately clutching my nearly-obsolete iPhone in my small hands, waiting for Apple to return to this principle and make an iPhone that I can comfortably use one-handed again.
an hour ago by ChrisMarshallNY
> Here I am, desperately clutching my nearly-obsolete iPhone in my small hands, waiting for Apple to return to this principle and make an iPhone that I can comfortably use one-handed again.
I've been using the iPhone12 Mini for months. It works great, one-handed.
I have heard that it has not sold well, and may be discontinued. That would make me sad.
an hour ago by jrobn
The iPhone 12 Mini is great. I will never go back to a bigger phone again. The lack of all day battery life is a feature in my opinion. I use it more like a fancy tool.
an hour ago by shp0ngle
iPhone mini exists. It has lackluster sales though so I think Apple will kill it in the next iteration.
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35 minutes ago by texec
Beside the size it's probably a tradeoff on mechanical integrity: a keyring can introduce immense mechanical stress. On my last tag the small loophole just broke away after a year on a key that was not used daily or in harsh environments. With the AirTag you can just replace a $2 third party accessory. Apple didn't have to engineer a very durable (maybe milled?) loophole, which would have increased cost.
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2 hours ago by NationalPark
I think it has as many non-loophole uses as loophole uses, so I can see why they chose to cut down on bulk there. I put one in my wallet and one in a small internal pocket in my bag, neither are actually attached.
I can't remember the last time I actually lost my bag or my wallet, but these are definitely pretty fun.
an hour ago by threepio
What are the practical ramifications of Apple harnessing every existing iPhone as an AirTag discovery device in the Find My network? (I think it's awful from a privacy and device-ownership standpoint, but let's leave that aside.)
For instance, because physics is real, it must take some amount of battery power & data transfer to collect information about nearby AirTags. Suppose I walk into Disneyland on a summer weekend with an iPhone. The place is going to be full of AirTags. Assumedly my iPhone will be very busy reporting on their location. Hour by hour, how does that workload compare to the stuff I ask my phone to do for me (e.g., receive text messages, download mail)? Will it run down the battery / chew up bandwidth caps in any significant way?
an hour ago by vlovich123
Are the iPhones always tracking and reporting? Or are they just watching passively for the devices reported lost and only reporting the location to Apple of your own AirTags. The latter seems far more sensible. The battery cost of this is fairly trivial. Your phone is already capturing its location and reporting for FindMy. The incremental cost of attaching the AirTagâs location is minimal. To monitor BLE for a bunch of addresses is also minimal cost thatâs typically predominantly done within the BT chip to avoid waking the SoC. At first glance there are some details that are unclear here in terms of how they scale this. For example, at Apple scale, the total size of lost AirTags is quite large, larger than what you can typically offload to a BLE chip. Similarly, the privacy protection features mean that BLE addresses rotate so just passively scanning wouldnât be sufficient. My bet though is that thatâs the work that was done - offloading all of this to the BLE chip in ways that are friendly to the HW capabilities. Itâs also entirely possible they worked with their BT supplier to add the necessary low-level hooks to make that perform well and preserve privacy.
an hour ago by mirths
The AirTag transmits every 2 seconds. The iPhone should scan every 2 minutes for 2 seconds in order to capture the AirTag. BLE scanning costs about ~20mW. So the average power consumption is 20mW * (2sec / 120sec) = 0.3mW.
Over an entire day, it's 7mWh. The iPhone 12 battery is 10000mWh.
Conclusion: it's neglibile.
an hour ago by knolan
I would say those AirTags will be with the iPhones of their respective owners. Mine report as âWith youâ so perhaps they donât advertise themselves in this state. The phone will be frequently updating its own location to Find My anyway so no extra power draw.
However if youâre walking by a set of left luggage lockers or through some similar environment where lots of AirTags not with their owner then there would indeed be some overhead. If you work in baggage handling in an airport would probably be telling. This all depends on the frequency which the AirTag reports itself and the frequency where your iPhone listens out. I suspect the impact would be negligible considering the power draw of the U1 in the AirTag is of order the power draw that the phone must commit.
an hour ago by cprecioso
At first glance, I'd say the resource consumption is actually going to be basically negligible. The Bluetooth and GPS radios would probably be on anyway, and the packets flow through the air anyway, so just making a note of the IDs you see, batching them, and sending that every hour or so, is not going to be very heavy.
2 hours ago by lbebber
Hahah the coin x-ray thing was great
an hour ago by knolan
The ifixit folks are really good at getting people invested in understanding whatâs going on inside our gadgets. A little bit of humour like this is especially fun.
an hour ago by jmull
I assume drilling a hole in an air tag would pretty much completely compromise its water resistance?
That would be a pretty big drawback to using it on a key ring. I donât have to pull my keys out much any more, but I think they still end up exposed to water once in a while.
14 minutes ago by lloydatkinson
More like âa discussion about how to drill a hole in itâ
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