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2 minutes ago by supernova87a

One issue he doesn't talk about is that the sender can never for sure know that the pager received the message.

At one point I was interested to know if there were versions of the paging technology (for some critical application?) that tried to solve this by issuing multiple redundant messages over some amount of time, and the pager ignoring the redundant ones after the 1st one had been received?

Also would be interesting to hear how the many companies "divided up" cities, etc. to create a network.

I remember there used to be some convoluted way of dialing into a pager service and keying the numbers/text that you wanted to be shown on the recipient's screen, but have long forgotten it.

35 minutes ago by jasonpeacock

A very important note: Pages are plaintext, they are not encrypted. Anyone with a radio can receive and decode all pages sent within reception range of that radio.

(which is evident when you read the article, but not called out explicitly)

This is a big deal for any use which involves private/sensitive/confidential data, as it can inform eavesdroppers about current issues, internal tools/architecture, personnel status, etc.

For example, do you want to know when a major cloud company is having an internal outage? Listen for pages which follow their internal notification format. Or maybe you want to know if a critical patient at a hospital is having troubles - listen for pages to their doctor. Does the military command center use pagers (I hope not) - that could be interesting too...

If your employer is using pagers, raise this issue to their security team (and share this great page showing how easy it is to eavesdrop). At the least, the pager messages should be as vague/simple as possible while still being useful. At the best...don't use pagers.

Pagers are already a poor choice - messages are delivered "with best effort" but there's no guaranteed sending, no receipt, no retries. If you're out of range (or signal blocked), the message is lost, and it's up to the sender to implement their own ack & retry system.

(I carried a pager for work for almost 15yrs)

17 minutes ago by tyingq

>Pagers are already a poor choice - messages are delivered "with best effort" but there's no guaranteed sending, no receipt, no retries.

They were pretty good towards the end of their reign when 2-way pagers came out. We were able to easily implement something where the system would keep paging you until you responded with an "I've got it" ack or a "Hand it off to the secondary" response, both of them an easy pick-list item.

2 hours ago by zabzonk

> In the 90th

What does that mean?

The only time I've had to use a pager was to support a static data server for an investment bank (partly written by me) which was used by London, Tokyo, HK and NY. Being woken up in the middle of the night I could take (grumpily) but logging on to the bank's systems from home was a thing of Byzantine horror. Anyway, we re-wrote the scripts to page someone who would be at the desk in the appropriate timezone, and all they normally had to do was the classic "turn it off and on again" reboot of the server, or phone one of us in London in extremis.

2 hours ago by vageli

It seems a typo for "In the 90s".

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2 hours ago by jedimastert

I'm guess they meant to say "90s"

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15 minutes ago by seumars

As an add-on to your smartphone? I like the idea of using a pager, not for the sake of romanticizing old tech, but to reduce the mental overload of being constantly online.

5 minutes ago by calvinmorrison

Yes. I got it two years ago since I hate my phone and having to always worry its charged etc. Pager takes 1 AA that lasts about a month. Its hooked into work to ping me if I need to flip out my laptop. Dead reliable and the service is great.

25 minutes ago by cpach

Why? Have you considered replacing it?

Just curious :)

5 minutes ago by calvinmorrison

No but I have considered dropping my mobile phone entirely

2 hours ago by bminusl

I would like to use a pager-like device as a grocery shopping list. But a pager isn't quite what I'm looking for (I think).

Basically, I need a small device that can fit in a pocket, with a long battery life, a simple display, and a few buttons. Bonus points if it's cheap and easily hackable.

What are the options?

an hour ago by dkersten

If you donā€™t mind a bit of work, you could look into one of the DIY smart watches on hackaday or whatever. Since you donā€™t need a watch form factor, that should give you a little extra room in terms of size or components. I found them a little too bulky as a watch for my taste, but they might work as a pager-like device.

an hour ago by bminusl

You reminded me of Watchy[1] (which I completely forgot about). It is a good contender.

[1]: https://watchy.sqfmi.com/

32 minutes ago by swiley

This sounds exactly like an older palm pilot.

They used ram for persistent storage because the battery life was so long (due to a very slow dragon ball CPU and those dot-matrix displays.)

The palm III was probably one of the best hand-held computers ever made, if there were a way to put a modern modem in it to get texts I would probably use that instead of my phone.

an hour ago by kator

an hour ago by bminusl

Not exactly, I'm looking for something more minimalist.

2 hours ago by imwillofficial

This article is great. I use a pager for work, as itā€™s the only device allowed in some sensitive areas. When it get paged while Iā€™m out and about I get the strangest looks, like Iā€™m some sort of time traveler.

2 hours ago by wheybags

Does it work while you're out and about? My understanding was they were generally limited to a small range, like the area inside and near a major hospital.

an hour ago by dlgeek

Not at all. There are a some very large pager networks in the US. As a bonus, since the messages are so simple, they have better penetration in a given area than GSM would. (I've had my pager go off in a deep parking garage for example).

Ex, here are the coverage maps for SPOK who bought out USA Mobility: https://www.spok.com/solutions/paging-services/wide-area-pag...

42 minutes ago by justusthane

The only problem is thereā€™s no indication on the pager whether or not youā€™re in range, and no way to know whether you missed a page due to being out of range.

At the same time, the reason theyā€™re still used is thereā€™s no good modern alternative in a lot of ways (battery life, range).

Troubleshooting paging issues is one thing I do not miss from my time in healthcare I.T.

an hour ago by dm319

I just looked this up for the UK, and noticed that there is still a single national paging network. I use pager at work, but, as you say, the network is limited to the site.

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